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	The Ummans maintain that the real Sindon is kept secret in the Vatican because its scientific analysis from 1902 onwards would have shown the fabric to be impregnated with fresh, unclotted blood, indicating that Jesus did not die on the Cross.		The Ummans maintain that the real Sindon is kept secret in the Vatican because its scientific analysis from 1902 onwards would have shown the fabric to be impregnated with fresh, unclotted blood, indicating that Jesus did not die on the Cross.

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 In view of the seriousness of the facts, you'd be looking for other methods, using other, more effective institutions. Just think, we could meditate on a more suitable time and method, or ask you for more dynamic and effective assistance. We ask you to respect our strategy. We are all too aware of the time urgency with which the meeting has been convened. }}
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 == Jesus Christ would not have died when he came down from the cross ==
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 {{Letter|D505|§ 22 - It was Dr. Vignon who warned the few responsible when the grandiose discovery was made! The blood on the "corpse" was "fresh"! On several occasions, similar expert analyses were carried out, with Yves Delage and other biologists taking it in turns to confirm his thesis. How is it possible that this was not taken into account? Pierre] Barbet was equally astonished. Clotted blood leaves no lasting traces, and the specialists know this}}.
-{{Letter|D505| The scandal caused by the discovery of the blood flow evidenced by the holy sheet is incomprehensible. At the time, it was taken for granted that this evidence belied death by crucifixion. Yet you yourselves have verified that, in certain circumstances (wound of the great vessels, albeit after death), the flow was possible. In any case, it was difficult to explain the flow of the other wounds by hypostasis <ref>In the medical field the term hypostasis designates an accumulation of blood in the lower part of the lungs, accumulation produced in general as a result of cardiac insufficiency </ref> (The wounded man was laid on a bed inclined about 28 degrees). The current state of the false Sindon not being explicable by fibrinolysis either<ref> Fibrinolysis is a complex physiological process of dissolution of blood clots (consisting of fibrin) by plasmin1. This process terminates blood coagulation to repermeabilize repaired blood vessels and serves to prevent thrombosis formation. The lysis of the fibrin mesh by plasmin results from the activation of plasminogen</ref>, so it's easy to see why we had to resort to an artifice to circumvent a fact that was incomprehensible}}.
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 The Ummans authenticated this relic as early as 1987:
-{{Letter|H7|March 22, 1987, Jorge Barrenechea, from 14h45 to 15h15,
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 J.B. THE HOLY SHROUD OF TURIN?
-U: It's authentic. It's that of Jesus of Nazareth. It's his shroud. There are no miracles. It has been preserved by believers and it keeps very well}}.
+U: It's authentic. It's that of Jesus of Nazareth. It's his shroud. There are no miracles. It has been preserved by believers and it keeps very well }}
 Beyond this authentication of the Holy Shroud, the Ummans also warn that this relic has been the object of fraud to confuse mankind in its history. The Ummans invite us to verify that Church figures were involved in the substitution of the authentic Holy Shroud by an apocryphal copy.

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 The fishbone structure is a form of weaving made by arranging weft wefts by changing direction with each successive stratum, so as to give a "fishbone" appearance with an angle of around 45° between wefts
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	We denounce the sad reality. The Shroud was fraudulently altered in 1929 (the decision was adopted in 1928). The falsification took about eight months to complete (1927). It is based on the authentic original photographed by Secondo Pia}}.		We denounce the sad reality. The Shroud was fraudulently altered in 1929 (the decision was adopted in 1928). The falsification took about eight months to complete (1927). It is based on the authentic original photographed by Secondo Pia}}.
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		+	{{Letter\|D505\|
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		+	(11/11/1988)
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		+	The members of the Curia were surprised. Until then, it had been considered a fake and therefore devalued, and they demanded exhaustive information. It was your biologist brother Paul Vignon who discovered the mysterious effect on tissue. Ammonia vapors react with aloe (don't forget that OEMMIWOA ETAIT BADIGEONNE D'ALOES COMME ONGUENT CURATIF), generating a production of yellow color and a certain degree of viscosity that stained the tissue.
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		+	It was Dr. Vignon who warned the few responsible when the grandiose discovery was made! The "corpse's" blood was "fresh"! On various occasions, similar expert reports [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Delage Yves Delage] and other biologists took it in turns to confirm his thesis. How could it not be taken into account? Barbet was equally astonished. Coagulated blood leaves no lasting traces, and specialists know this. What's more, there are no bandage marks on the corpse corresponding to a corpse, a point that has been "forgotten".
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		+	An operation was then set in motion to "eliminate" evidence, with the secret intention of "uncovering the fraud" should the case be made public. This is a very serious decision. The presence of blood DISMONDS AT A GLANCE THE PREMISES THAT FOUND CATHOLICISM (non-coagulated blood) .
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		+	We must insist: the hypothesis of Dr. Vignon (Doctor of Natural Sciences) is correct (Vaporography), together with that of Dr. René Colson (Physician, member of the Paris Academy of Sciences). This has been attested to by all experts since, in 1532, the cardinal [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Gorrevod Louis Gorrevad] examined it thoroughly and came to the same conclusion." }}
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		+	{{Letter\|D518\|
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		+	(11/11/88)
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		+	Gentlemen you have seen with what concern we have watched the Fraud perpetrated on OYAAGAA. For sure you have admired our indignation and wonder what is the reason for so much scandal. We can tell you that the subject is of grave concern to us, so much so that we have done something as unusual as going public. This is far more serious than the human rights violations in Argentina, Chile, Indonesia, Nazi Germany with its mass extermination of Jews, the murder of heroic Communists by Joseph Stalin, the genocide of Armenians by Turkey and the cold extermination of aborigines by the USA, to give just a few examples, which, seen from an AAGEEEUWWE (untranslatable) perspective, have an anti-evolutionary meaning (we're not referring to human suffering, which is infinitely greater).
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		+	You say graphically that for a nail we've lost a battle. We think this is the most transparent way of telling you just how far evolution has paralyzed itself, by sending it back to the frozen Middle Ages. You'll understand that, should the imposture be clarified, the gigantic myth of the Passion of Jesus will slowly be dismantled, reducing the infrastructure of Catholicism, and its immense power and influence modulating the structure of the Western system (and with it, of OYAAGAA as a whole). Its roots are so deep that they contaminate marginal branches as different as Protestantism, the branches of ultra-conservative politics in the USA or the educational currents that corrupt children's brains, controlling them forever.
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		+	Anticlericalism is another fruit of Catholicism. It's a logical reaction to the perceived or manifest abuses of its doctrine. It's anaphylactic shock, or a lethal reaction to the antigens sedimented by centuries of doctrinal foundation. The anticlerical oscillates between his unbalanced attacks or his indifference in the face of facts that are very dangerous for the OYAAGGAA collective.
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		+	In this way, Catholicism is strengthened in the face of unbiased or virulent attacks by its enemies. Anticlericals are the best unconscious and blind friends doctrines have for their tropism.
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		+	Just look at the passionate battle over the shroud, between fanatical clerics who want to make a pseudo-fact that runs counter to official science obvious, and anticlericals who are passionately committed to proving that EVERYTHING is wrong, or those who are indifferent to an event that has the whole Social Network at stake. This explains why the signal-to-noise relationship masks the terrible truth. And it's easy to understand why our denunciation is lost in the background noise of this din.
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		+	Nothing compares to the multi-tentacled hydra imagined by certain anticlericals, who, from the height of their pontificate, manipulated the masses through their cassocked priests. This is the most distorted version of Catholicism, whose distorted image favors them. Occasionally, such a model would be a pale reflection of the facts.
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		+	The reality is much deeper and more complex. The Church is made up of sometimes heroic OEMMII who would be willing to give their lives in the service of others. Excluding the abundant exceptions that exist in any social segment of OYAGAA: Popes, Prelates, Priests and Faithful lead lives dedicated to their ideals, with no more anomalies than those that exist in any of your brains. Occasionally, we've seen sublime behavior that has an impressive impact on the Social Network. All are unknowing victims of WOAUAAYA (untranslatable, it would be like a disturbance in society due to the inevitable evolutionary degree).
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		+	For this reason, the conduct accused here seriously violates THE INEVITABLE EVOLUTION of History.
		+	We are dismayed to see that you are unconsciously rushing towards a regression, increasing the entropy of the system}}.
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		+	==Tweets==
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		+	{{Tweet\|W1-129\|
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		+	(25/12/2014)
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		+	''Question (ESP): Como pudisteis comprobar que JesuCristo era un genuino oemmiwoa? Donde se encuentra la Sindone original ahora?''
		+	:FR: How could you prove that [[Jesus Christ]] was a genuine [[oemmiwoa]]? Where is the original '''Sindon''' now?
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		+	''Answer: Varios documentos de la época contienen relatos convergentes de testigos autenticados (domi nobiles). Síndone en el Vaticano.''
		+	:FR: Several documents of the period contain convergent accounts from authenticated witnesses (local notables). The '''Sindon''' is in the [[Vatican]].
		+	}}
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		+	{{Tweet\|W5-78\|
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		+	(23/07/21)
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		+	You must understand that the character of Jesus only became historical years after His crucifixion and presumed Resurrection. Before that, He was regarded only as a prophet, whose fame really rose after He performed amazing healings, notably after He miraculously revived Lazarus.
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		+	''and, on 10/17/2021:''
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		+	Lazarus verified on himself the effectiveness of the drug Jesus later took, to simulate his own death}}
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		+	== See also ==
		+	* See letters D488, D499, D505, D518, D792-2 and tweets O6 and OAY.
		+	*[http://www.ummo-sciences.org/activ/analyses/ana5.htm analysis 5]
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		+	[[Category:Alphabetical summary]]
		+	[[Category:1st century]]
		+	[[Category:Catholicism]]
		+	[[Category:Arts]]
		+	[[Category:1898]]
		+	[[Category:1927]]
		+	[[Category:1929]]
		+	[[Category:1988]]

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−	= ~~Dénonciation oummaine de la fraude sur le Saint Suaire de Turin =~~	+	=
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−	~~==Historique du Sindon d'après le site http://www.ldi5.com/sindo.php==~~
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−	"Dans la nuit du 3 au 4 décembre 1532, le Linceul est pris dans le violent incendie qui ravage la chapelle où il est entreposé dans un reliquaire d'argent dont l'une des parois commence à fondre. Il sera copieusement arrosé pour sa sauvegarde et en conserve encore de nos jours les traces. En 1534, sa restauration est confiée aux religieuses clarisses de Chambery qui raccommodent la toile en cousant 22 pièces de tissu triangulaires aux endroits des brûlures et le renforcent en le doublant par une toile de Hollande.
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−	Le 28 mai 1898, l'avocat italien, Secundo Pia, fut autorisé à prendre la première photo du Linceul de Turin. La photographie démontre que l'image du Linceul est une image négative, (concept moderne découvert seulement au milieu du XIXe siècle suite à l'invention de la photographie, incompatible avec les connaissances du moyen-âge ).
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−	~~Le 21 avril 1902, le professeur d'anatomie, agnostique, Yves Delage, expose à l'Académie des Sciences de Paris son étude favorable à l'authenticité du Linceul.~~
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−	Le 23 Mai 1931, à l'occasion d'une nouvelle ostention publique, Guiseppe Enrie prend de nombreuses photographies du Linceul en présence de Secundo Pia, âgé de 76 ans, et de scientifiques de l'Académie Française. Le Docteur Pierre Barbet conduit de nombreuses expérimentations avec des cadavres pour reconstituer la Passion de Jésus telle qu'elle apparaît sur le Linceul.
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−	En août 1978, ostention publique du Linceul, à l'issue de laquelle, une équipe de scientifiques du STURP a l'occasion d'étudier le Linceul durant 5 jours à l'aide d'appareils ultra-modernes ( rayons-X, ultra-violets etc. ). 32 prélèvements sont effectués à l'aide de ruban adhésif.
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−	En février 1979, une demande officielle est faite auprès de l'archevêque Ballestrero, gardien du Linceul, pour effectuer une datation au carbone 14. En Mars, le STURP tient son premier "Atelier d'Analyse des Données", au cours duquel seules les conclusions du Dr McCrone sont divergentes.
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−	~~Le 18 mars 1983, décès de l'ex-roi Umberto II, propriétaire du Linceul, qui appartient désormais au Vatican sous la condition qu'il demeure à Turin.~~
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−	En 1988, après des années d'âpres négociations, le cardinal Ballestrero accepte un protocole de datation au carbone 14, très éloigné du protocle initialement prévu, avec seulement 3 laboratoires au lieu des 7 initialement proposés. Avant même que les prélèvements soient effectués, la crédibilité et la rigueur de cette étude sont mis en doute le 15 janvier par les initiateurs du projet, les Pr Gove et Harbottle qui seront écartés.
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−	Le 21 avril 1988, le Linceul est secrètement retiré de son écrin en présence du Dr Tite du British Museum, coordinateur du projet, et des représentants des laboratoires de Zurich, de Tucson et d'Oxford. Le professeur Riggi effectue les prélèvements sous contrôle vidéo mais ce dernier sera interrompu au moment où le cardinal Ballestrero et le Dr Tite placeront les échantillons dans les éprouvettes métalliques qui seront scellées de nouveau sous contrôle vidéo et remises à chacun des représentants des laboratoires choisis. Le professeur Riggi prélèvera pour son propre compte du sang sur la partie dorsale du Linceul sur les plaies de la couronne d'épines, ainsi qu'un morceau de tissu.
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−	En août et septembre 1988, des fuites permettent au "London Evening Standard" et au "Sunday Times" d'annoncer qu'officiellement le Linceul est un faux datant de 1350. C'est le 13 octobre 1988 que le cardinal Ballestrero tient sa conférence de presse officielle au cours de laquelle il annonce le résultat des tests situant l'âge du Linceul entre 1260 et 1390.
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−	~~Le 16 février 1989, les résultats officiels de la datation au carbone 14 du Linceul sont publiés dans la revue Nature.~~
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−	Le 18 septembre 1990, le cardinal Ballestrero qui était custode à vie est destitué de ses fonctions par le pape Jean-Paul II et remplacé par l'archevêque de Turin, Monseigneur Giovanni Saldarini qui devient le nouveau Gardien du Linceul. Sans vouloir contredire ouvertement son prédécesseur, il déclare : "Il ne suffit pas d'affirmer que le drap est une pièce médiévale. Le problème est de comprendre comment il est né".
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−	~~Le 7 septembre 1992, 5 experts internationaux en textile peuvent faire des observations optiques seulement, pas de prélèvements autorisés.~~
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−	En 1993, après avoir examiné l'échantillon de Riggi, plusieurs scientifiques remettent en doute la datation au carbone 14 à cause du "vernis Lichenothelia", un revêtement bioplastique qui aurait faussé la mesure. Le CIELT organise un symposium à Rome. L'ensemble de la communauté scientifique internationale engagée dans les recherches, après notamment une brillante démonstration du Dr Upinsky, proclame l'authenticité du Linceul. L'interrogation demeure quant aux résultats de la datation au carbone 14."
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−	~~==Voir aussi wikipédia sur l'historique pré médiéval==~~
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−	~~[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suaire_de_Turin#Le_suaire_appara%C3%AEt_en_Champagne Le suaire apparait en Champagne]~~
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−	~~==Réfutation des objections ==~~
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−	Comme le tissus du linceul de Turin s'avère être dâté entre le 11è et le 15è siècle, les Oummains expliquent logiquement que des faussaires du Moyen-Âge auraient du disposer de connaissances scientifiques avancées pour fabriquer l'image sur ce tissus, ce qui est évidemment impossible et ils ajoutent:
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−	~~{{Lettre\|D490\|~~
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−	~~Nous schématisons de manière brève et simple la manière de réfuter les objections à la fraude du Sindon~~