Discussion:Suaire de Turin

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The Ummans maintain that the real Sindon is kept secret in the Vatican because its scientific analysis from 1902 onwards would have shown the fabric to be impregnated with fresh, unclotted blood, indicating that Jesus did not die on the Cross.

The real Sindon would have been replaced by an artifact manufactured in 1927 and substituted for the authentic one from 1931.

It is this apocryphal copy that is now on public display in Turin. The photographs and analyses carried out since 1969 (Pellegrino), 1978 (STURP) and 1988 (carbon 14) would have been made on this apocryphal copy, leading to a number of confusions'

what is the Holy Shroud or Shroud of Turin?

Photography Secundo Pia, 1898

The Turin Shroud, or Linceul de Turin, is a yellowed linen sheet 4.42 meters long by 1.13 meters wide showing the blurred image (front and back) of a man showing the traces of wounds consistent with crucifixion. It has been preserved since 1578 in the Guarini chapel of Turin's Cathedral of St. John the Baptist.

Since the representation depicts certain details of the Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth described in the canonical Gospels, it is the object of popular piety and is considered by the Catholic Church to be an icon. Some believers venerate it as an insignificant relic, the "Holy Shroud".

In 1898, Secondo Pia, an Italian lawyer and photographer, had the opportunity to photograph the Turin Shroud while it was on display in Turin Cathedral. When he developed the photographs, he was surprised to discover that the negative image of the shroud revealed far more detail than was visible to the naked eye. This discovery aroused great interest and paved the way for a series of in-depth scientific studies and research into the shroud.

The negative image obtained by Pia showed very precise anatomical details and facial and body features that seemed to match the accounts of the Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the Gospels. This revelation rekindled interest in the shroud and sparked intense debate about its authenticity and origin.

The relic escaped the flames of a fire in 1532, when a blaze ravaged the chapel where it was kept in Chambéry, France, and in 1997 when a fire broke out in the Guarini chapel of the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin.

See also: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suaire_de_Turin

Authentication of the Holy Shroud by the Ummans

The Ummans authenticated this relic as early as 1987:

Beyond this authentication of the Holy Shroud, the Ummans also warn that this relic has been the object of fraud to confuse mankind in its history. The Ummans invite us to verify that Church figures were involved in the substitution of the authentic Holy Shroud by an apocryphal copy.

== Telephone calls about the Holy Shroud

From March 1987 to November 1988, the Ummans began an intense sequence of dozens of letters and 24 telephone calls to two Spanish recipients, Mr. Luis Jiménez Marhuenda and Mr. Jorge Barrenechea.

The subjects of the telephone conversations between the Ummans and the Spanish callers are numerous, but they frequently concern Jesus Christ and the denunciation of the Holy Shroud fraud.

On January 28, 1988, from 1.35pm to 1.50pm, the Ummans announced the dispatch of two important letters:

See also Compilation of extracts from telephone calls about the Holy Shroud

Letters about the Holy Shroud of Turin

Finally, Mr. Jorge Barrenechea will finally be the recipient of 6 important letters, namely:

1998, January, 10, 13 and 20: D 792-1 Les "Oemiiwoa "incarnations cosmiques impulsant l'évolution ( généralités)

1998, January, 20: D 792-2 Life and death of Christ

1988, November, 11: D505: How the Turin Sindon fraud was perpetrated.

1988, November, 11: D518: Gravity of the Turin Shroud fraud / Socio-political stakes of disclosure.

1988, November, 13: D490: Organization of a denunciation meeting concerning the Sindon [ Hotel Sanvy, Madrid ].

1988, November, 13: D499 : Scientific concept of Ommiwoa on planet Ummo - Explanation on scientific analyses of Sindon in 1988

Spanish recipients Antonio Ribera, Ignacio Darnaude, Juan Trigo Gandul will receive:

1988, November, 1: D 488 The fraud on the Turin Shroud (to Darnaude) / Explanation on the Oemmiwoa

See also Oemmiwoa letters from 1987 to 1988 - Holy Shroud

Fraud denunciation conference, Madrid, Hotel Sanvy, 1988

But most surprising of all was the Ummans' initiative in organizing a discreet conference in Madrid, at the Hotel Sanvy on Sunday November 20, 1988.

The historical background to the controversy and the Umma statements

Jesus Christ would not have died when he came down from the cross

According to the Umma, Jesus of Nazareth was wrapped in a long cloth when he came down from the cross, but he was not dead. On the contrary, they recently clarified that he was under the influence of a powerful drug to simulate his demise.

Receiving treatments including ointments made from aloe vera, Jesus is said to have awakened from his deep sleep while wrapped in this cloth or shroud. He would then have resumed his preaching shortly before experiencing a strange phenomenon described in the 1988 letters, namely ASNEEIIBIAEDOO

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Faced with the historical facts of the controversy surrounding the authenticity of the Turin shroud, Umma's statements provide an alternative perspective. The relevance of their sindonological theses stems from an in-depth knowledge of the history of the Holy Shroud, particularly in modern times.

The shroud of this period (original for the sequel) would therefore bear the scientific proof that the official account of Christ's death would be erroneous, as Christ would not have died on the cross. Letters from 1988 such as D 792-2 also provide the conclusions of the investigations carried out by the Umma expeditionaries.

Indeed, the presence of non-coagulated blood would call into question whether Jesus died on the Cross. And French scientists would have understood this as early as 1902

1902: P. Vignon and R. Colson explained that Jesus did not die on the Cross

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1902: P. Vignon and R. Colson would also have explained the origin of the imprint

However, from 1902 onwards, examination of the bloodstains on this shroud indicates that the person who bled (Jesus) had not died when it was wrapped, nor in the days that followed. The Ummans pay particular tribute to the seminal work of scientists such as Paul Vignon and René Colson

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Légende : Paul Vignon, 1938, Le Saint-Suaire de Turin, devant la science, l'archéologie, l'histoire, l'iconographie, la logique, 2nd edition: Photograph of experiments: "impression by ammoniacal vapors of a plaster rosette, made on a cloth rubbed with aloe powder. The plaster had been immersed for some time in an extended ammonia solution, then partly dried, but not sufficiently: the watercolor stains are due to the fact that too much water remained. The exposure didn't need to exceed half an hour. Below: photographic negative of the print."

a challenge to the fundamental dogmas of the Church

Both Jesus' death on the Cross and the Resurrection episode are founding pillars for the Church's dogmas. The official version of the life of Jesus and therefore the fundamental interpretation of Christianity by the Vatican, but also by other churches, such as the Protestant and Orthodox Churches.

It was the earthquake produced by this questioning by Science as early as 1902 that triggered a series of events.

Observation of the Holy Shroud reveals the presence of fresh blood

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The absence of linen strips (phakiai) in contradiction with Jewish funeral rites

The absence of linen strips on the Turin shroud can be seen as a departure from traditional Jewish funeral practices of Jesus' time, which has contributed to the debate about the shroud's authenticity and origin. The Ummans' explanation would shed new light on these debates.

Linen strips, or "phakiai", were indeed used in Jewish funeral practices of the time, and this is documented in various historical sources (Flavius Josephus and Philo of Alexandria) and religious texts, (Talmud and Midrash ) and finally concordant archaeological observations. Linen strips were often used to wrap the body of the deceased as part of Jewish burial rituals. After the body had been prepared, it was wrapped in linen strips to preserve and protect it during burial. This practice was seen as a sign of respect for the deceased and was an integral part of Jewish funeral rites at the time.

What's more, this difference contradicts the Gospel according to John (John 19:40): "So they took the body of Jesus, and bound it with bindings and spices, as was the custom for burial among the Jews."

Roman Catholic cardinals at the center of the fraud

The Ummans invite us to verify that Church figures were panic-stricken from 1902 onwards, and that a group of cardinals initiated a plot to solve the problem in the first place:

1902 and 1911: unsuccessful first attempt at fraud

Initially, between 1902 and 1911, the cardinals attempted to erase the traces of blood by damaging the authentic relic.

1911 to 1928: production of the definitive apocrypha

Following this highly problematic failure, the Cardinals are said to have embarked on a more methodical scientific study to analyze the technical challenges to be resolved.

After several attempts between 1911 and 1927, the forgers succeeded in producing an apocryphal copy of the authentic Shroud around 1927.

Multiple techniques used

The Ummans detail precisely the multiplicity of different techniques they would have analyzed on the apocryphal copy between 1927 and 1928, including:

Description ( in D 505 )
Selection of fabrics dating from 1220 from the Jaffa region (Palestine).
Use of an original scale copy of Secondo Pia's plates.
Treatment of the canvas with a metal bas-relief heated to varying temperatures (average 248°C, maximum 410°C).
Heating of the print for several months using an electric resistance plate.
Introduction of 2 coin designs that would not appear on the original authentic sindon.
Final touch-up with a gentle rubbing of the cloth.
Wash one part of the sheet with diluted sweat.
Wash other areas with solutions of varying concentrations of sulfuric acid in water.

This leads them to explain:

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Observable differences in fabric structure

The Ummans also provide precise parameters for distinguishing between the original Shroud and its apocryphal copy.

For the apocryphal copy, the forgers used fabric dating from 1220 from the Jaffa region (Palestine).

Furthermore, the fabric of the authentic Shroud could be dated to around the 1st century A.D., notably by Carbon-14 dating.

Photos taken by Giuseppe Enrie in 1931 actually show a "fishbone" fabric structure:

Caption: page VI; Paul Vignon, 1938, Le Saint-Suaire de Turin, devant la science, l'archéologie, l'histoire, l'iconographie, la logique, 2nd edition: Would this enlargement of Giuseppe Enrie's 1931 photos confirm that this is a type 4 twill weave with a structure named by you as "Fishbone" of very irregular gauge of 10.2 for the weft and 3.3 for the warp (the gauge is given in Na of Great Britain)?

The fishbone structure is a form of weaving made by arranging weft wefts by changing direction with each successive stratum, so as to give a "fishbone" appearance with an angle of around 45° between wefts

Replacement of the original by the apocryphal copy around 1929

The cardinals involved would then have replaced the original with a copy around 1929. Ummans are somewhat hesitant about this date:

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The apocryphal copy was close enough to the authentic Shroud for the Cardinals, given the scientific knowledge and analysis techniques available at the time. But the evolution of knowledge and techniques was to prove unexpected and problematic for their plot.

According to the Ummans, the fabric displayed in public ostentations since 1931 is the apocryphal one.

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What's more, the many photographs taken by professional photographer Giuseppe Enrie in May 1931 are not of the authentic Shroud, but of this copy. Thus, Enrie's photographs, which have served as references in sindonological studies for many years, would not be photographs of the authentic Holy Shroud. It's quite possible that this is also the case for the recent photographs taken in 1969 by Giovanni Battista Cordiglia (in color), in 2001 by Aldo Guerresci, and finally in 2008 by the company HAL9000 in Novara.

It would also be the apocryphal copy that would have been the subject of modern scientific analyses, notably those of 1973 within the Pellegrino Commission, those of the Shroud Research Project (S.T.U.R.P) between 1978 and 1980, and those of the Arizona, Oxford and Zurick laboratories in 1988.

= Ummain denunciation of the Holy Shroud of Turin fraud.

History of the Shroud from http://www.ldi5.com/sindo.php

"During the night of December 3 to 4, 1532, the Shroud was caught in the violent fire that ravaged the chapel where it was stored in a silver reliquary, one of the walls of which began to melt. The reliquary was copiously sprinkled with water to save it, and traces of the fire can still be seen today. In 1534, its restoration was entrusted to the Clare nuns of Chambery, who mended the canvas by sewing 22 triangular pieces of cloth to the burned areas, and reinforced it by lining it with Dutch cloth.

On May 28, 1898, Italian lawyer Secundo Pia was authorized to take the first photograph of the Turin Shroud. The photograph demonstrates that the image of the Shroud is a negative image, (a modern concept discovered only in the mid-19th century following the invention of photography, incompatible with the knowledge of the Middle Ages).

On April 21, 1902, the agnostic anatomy professor Yves Delage presented his study in favor of the authenticity of the Shroud to the Académie des Sciences de Paris.

The following explanations concern the "false Sindon", i.e. AFTER the substitution".

On May 23, 1931, on the occasion of a new public viewing, Guiseppe Enrie took numerous photographs of the Shroud in the presence of Secundo Pia, aged 76, and scientists from the Académie Française. Doctor Pierre Barbet conducts numerous experiments with cadavers to reconstruct the Passion of Jesus as it appears on the Shroud.

In August 1978, public viewing of the Shroud, after which a team of STURP scientists had the opportunity to study the Shroud for 5 days using ultra-modern equipment (X-rays, ultra-violet light, etc.). 32 samples were taken using adhesive tape.

In February 1979, an official request was made to Archbishop Ballestrero, custodian of the Shroud, for carbon-14 dating. In March, STURP held its first "Data Analysis Workshop", during which only Dr. McCrone's conclusions diverged.

On March 18, 1983, death of former King Umberto II, owner of the Shroud, which now belongs to the Vatican on condition that it remains in Turin.

In 1988, after years of bitter negotiations, Cardinal Ballestrero accepted a carbon-14 dating protocol that was far removed from the original one, with only 3 laboratories instead of the 7 initially proposed. Even before the samples were taken, the credibility and rigor of the study were called into question on January 15 by the project's initiators, Prof. Gove and Prof. Harbottle, who were subsequently dismissed.

On April 21, 1988, the Shroud was secretly removed from its case in the presence of Dr. Tite of the British Museum, coordinator of the project, and representatives of the Zurich, Tucson and Oxford laboratories. Professor Riggi takes the samples under video control, but this is interrupted when Cardinal Ballestrero and Dr. Tite place the samples in the metal test tubes, which are then sealed again under video control and handed over to each of the representatives of the chosen laboratories. Professor Riggi will take blood samples on his own behalf from the dorsal part of the Shroud, from the wounds of the crown of thorns, as well as a piece of tissue.

In August and September 1988, leaks to the London Evening Standard and the Sunday Times revealed that the Shroud was officially a forgery dating from 1350. On October 13, 1988, Cardinal Ballestrero held his official press conference, announcing the results of the tests, which placed the age of the Shroud between 1260 and 1390.

On February 16, 1989, the official results of the carbon-14 dating of the Shroud were published in the journal Nature.

On September 18, 1990, Cardinal Ballestrero, who had been Custodian for life, was dismissed by Pope John Paul II and replaced by the Archbishop of Turin, Monsignor Giovanni Saldarini, who became the new Custodian of the Shroud. Without openly contradicting his predecessor, he declares: "It's not enough to assert that the cloth is a medieval piece. The problem is to understand how it came into being.

On September 7, 1992, 5 international textile experts were allowed to make optical observations only, no sampling allowed.

In 1993, after examining Riggi's sample, several scientists question the carbon-14 dating because of the "Lichenothelia varnish", a bioplastic coating that would have distorted the measurement. CIELT organizes a symposium in Rome. After a brilliant demonstration by Dr. Upinsky, the international scientific community proclaimed the authenticity of the Shroud. Questions remain as to the results of carbon-14 dating."

Defutation of objections

As the dating of the shroud's fabric turns out to be probably between 1260 and 1390, the Ummans logically explain that medieval forgers would have had to have advanced scientific knowledge, which is obviously impossible, and they add:

Image of original D490

In conclusion

The object analyzed in 1988 by radiocarbon 14 is a medieval forgery, but according to the Ummans it is not the Holy Shroud.

Hypothesis of medieval E.T. involvement

See https://www.ummowiki.fr/index.php/Discussion:Suaire_de_Turin

Vatican involvement in not denouncing fraud

Tweet W1-130 d'OAXIIBOO 6

(02/01/2015)

Question (ESP): Cuando fue trasladada la Sindone? Sabe la verdad del asunto el papa actual? Si sí, se plantea hacer algo al respecto?

FR: When was the Sindon moved? Does the current pope know the truth? If so, do you plan to do anything about it?

Answer: En 1933, antes de la ostentación ⇒ Pío XI, Fossati, Gasparri y Gasparri. Benedicto XVI sí. Francisco, probablemente no.

FR: En 1933, avant l'ostentation ⇒ Pie XI, Fossati, Gasparri et Gasparri. Benedict XVI yes. Francis, probably not

For information:

Ostentation of the Holy Shroud in the XX ° century :

May 3 to 24, 1931: Ostentation on the occasion of the marriage of the heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Italy, Humbert II, Prince of Piedmont, to Princess Marie-José of Belgium. According to the Ummans, it was the apocryphal copy of the Holy Shroud that was photographed by Giuseppe Enrie, after the authentic relic had been photographed by Secondo Pia in 1898 ( cf. ).

September 24 to October 15, 1933: Ostentation requested by Pope Pius XI to mark the nineteenth centenary of the Resurrection of Jesus Wikipedia )

Pius XI (Achille Ratti) (1857-1939) Archbishop of Milan 1921 - 1922; cardinal 1921 by Pope Benedict XV; pope 1922 to 1939 ( Pius XI wikipedia )

Pietro Gasparri (1852-1934), cardinal, signatory of the Lateran Accords with Mussolini, appointed by Pope Leo XIII in 1898 titular archbishop of Caesarea in Palestine; then titular cardinal on December 16, 1907. P. Gasparri was treasurer of the College of Cardinals from May 1914 to January 1915, then treasurer of the Apostolic Chamber in charge of the Holy See's temporal goods during the sede vacante period of pontifical power. He took part in the election of Pius XII ( [Pietro Gasparri Wikipedia )

Enrico Gasparri (1871-1946), cardinal-bishop of Velletri (Rome) on October 16, 1933, nephew of Pietro Gasparri, cardinal elector of the 1939 conclave that elected Pope Pius XII ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Gasparri Enrico Gasparri wikipedia] )

Maurilio Fossati (1872-1965), archbishop of Turin in 1930, then cardinal in 1933 until his death on March 30, 1965 ( [Maurilio Fossati wikipedia]

Benedict XVI (Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger) was appointed cardinal by Pope Paul VI in 1977. Before being elected pope, he held several important positions within the Catholic Church, notably as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition) from 1981 to 2005. He was then de facto head of the Pontifical Biblical Commission ( [Benedict XVI wikipedia

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Pope Karol Wojtyla (1920-2005): Archbishop of Krakow 1964-1978; Cardinal by Pope Paul VI in 1967; Pope from 1978 to 2005. ( John Paul II wikipedia

Cardinal Edward Cassidy (1924-2021) : Apostolic Nuncio to China and Ireland ; President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity ; Cardinal by Pope John Paul II in 1991.

Joseph Tomko (1924-2021): Archbishop of Bratislava; Cardinal by Pope John Paul II in 1985; President of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples.

Anastasio Ballestrero (1913-1998): Cardinal by Pope Paul VI in 1973; Archbishop of Turin in 1977; Apostolic Administrator of Turin.

It is understood from the following tweet that Benedict XVI has not for the moment told Pope Francis about the fraud committed on the Shroud.

Tweet OAY-120 d'OYAGAA AYOO YISSAA

All his unspoken words, the deeds he left hidden,
will remain in life after death his eternal burden.

Earlier OAY had liked/liked a few tweets that put us more and more on this track. In fact someone from the GR1 group had privately asked OAY to like any tweet related to the Shroud in case he was encouraging us to repeat this request about the Shroud.

Subsequently OAY had, in a quick follow up, liked these two tweets 1/ About Lier and 2/ About the church of St. Gummarus in Lier where it is kept a 1/3 scale painting of the Shroud' dating from 1516, before the fire that damaged the Shroud.

Letters

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Tweets

Tweet W1-129 d'OAXIIBOO 6

(25/12/2014)

Question (ESP): Como pudisteis comprobar que JesuCristo era un genuino oemmiwoa? Donde se encuentra la Sindone original ahora?

FR: How could you prove that Jesus Christ was a genuine oemmiwoa? Where is the original Sindon now?

Answer: Varios documentos de la época contienen relatos convergentes de testigos autenticados (domi nobiles). Síndone en el Vaticano.

FR: Several documents of the period contain convergent accounts from authenticated witnesses (local notables). The Sindon is in the Vatican.

Tweet W5-78

(23/07/21)

You must understand that the character of Jesus only became historical years after His crucifixion and presumed Resurrection. Before that, He was regarded only as a prophet, whose fame really rose after He performed amazing healings, notably after He miraculously revived Lazarus.

and, on 10/17/2021:

Lazarus verified on himself the effectiveness of the drug Jesus later took, to simulate his own death

See also

• See letters D488, D499, D505, D518, D792-2 and tweets O6 and OAY.
• analysis 5

( cf. 312-Stat-2; October 2021 )